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>> Most policy types will actually attack back if they think you are easy to kill.
In my experience and interpretation of policy, being attacked back when you initiate with an arguably unconsented attack doesn't give retroactive consent like that. Am I wrong?
Rev. Reene
(10:43:46 PM) Xelten: YOU PLAY A TEXT BASED RPG MAN, YOU ARE NOT COOL, PUT THE HAT THE RIGHT WAY
IDONS-BUDDY
JULIAN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/10/2007 11:45 PM CDT
>>In my experience and interpretation of policy, being attacked back when you initiate with an arguably unconsented attack doesn't give retroactive consent like that. Am I wrong?<<
It's supposed to.
iirc, you can choose to attack back or report, but not both. Once you decide to handle it yourself you're on your own.
That's the theory, anyway.
It's supposed to.
iirc, you can choose to attack back or report, but not both. Once you decide to handle it yourself you're on your own.
That's the theory, anyway.
RX4PAIN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 01:01 AM CDT
You know how fast someone who tried that would get locked out?
JULIAN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:31 AM CDT
>>You know how fast someone who tried that would get locked out?<<
Are we talking about someone other than you?
Are we talking about someone other than you?
DIVINEWIND
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 12:12 PM CDT
>>You know how fast someone who tried that would get locked out?
I haven't been locked out yet.
This was my trump method of getting annoying, obnoxious "Nyah! You cant touch me!" kids of taking the bait.
If they fear you, they'll just run their mouth while still riding the fine line. If they think they can kill you or that you suck then they'll step up.
It's really really hilarious to watch someone report AFTER attacking you back.
-Galren Moonskin
!>You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde screaming in barbaric approval of your deeds.
I haven't been locked out yet.
This was my trump method of getting annoying, obnoxious "Nyah! You cant touch me!" kids of taking the bait.
If they fear you, they'll just run their mouth while still riding the fine line. If they think they can kill you or that you suck then they'll step up.
It's really really hilarious to watch someone report AFTER attacking you back.
-Galren Moonskin
!>You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde screaming in barbaric approval of your deeds.
ALDEN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 01:16 PM CDT
Wouldn't attacking someone, even with zero stance points in offense, be an unconsented attack, and therefore reportable? So, in essence when you attempt to bait someone to attack you back, you are gambling that they will do so, but if they chose to report you instead, you risk warnings etc?
Wouldn't it just be safer to continue to insulting them and hope they take the bait that way?
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
Wouldn't it just be safer to continue to insulting them and hope they take the bait that way?
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
PRAXIS
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:12 PM CDT
>Wouldn't attacking someone, even with zero stance points in offense, be an unconsented attack, and therefore reportable?
report xxx just attacked me, failed miserably, and didn't actually do anything!!11111
Is that the same as:
>prep /hide
You are no longer attempting to hide your spell preparations from others.
>prep smite foe 50
That will disrupt less than half your current attunement.
You begin chanting a prayer to invoke the Smite Foe spell.
>rele
You aren't holding any mana.
You let your concentration lapse and feel the spell's energies dissipate.
Type RELEASE HELP for more options.
>gesture xxx
You gesture at xxx.
Or different?
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
report xxx just attacked me, failed miserably, and didn't actually do anything!!11111
Is that the same as:
>prep /hide
You are no longer attempting to hide your spell preparations from others.
>prep smite foe 50
That will disrupt less than half your current attunement.
You begin chanting a prayer to invoke the Smite Foe spell.
>rele
You aren't holding any mana.
You let your concentration lapse and feel the spell's energies dissipate.
Type RELEASE HELP for more options.
>gesture xxx
You gesture at xxx.
Or different?
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:22 PM CDT
I personally think it'd be interpreted differently, yeah.
Rev. Reene
(10:43:46 PM) Xelten: YOU PLAY A TEXT BASED RPG MAN, YOU ARE NOT COOL, PUT THE HAT THE RIGHT WAY
Rev. Reene
(10:43:46 PM) Xelten: YOU PLAY A TEXT BASED RPG MAN, YOU ARE NOT COOL, PUT THE HAT THE RIGHT WAY
PRAXIS
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:29 PM CDT
Hasn't yet. <eg> Maybe I only play that on the paste-eaters.
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:37 PM CDT
It's a subtle but important difference.
If you stance down and attack someone, even if you totally whiff and stand absolutely no chance of ever harming them, you're still attacking them.
If you prepare an offensive spell, release it, and gesture at someone, you might be appearing to go through the motions of attacking them but you never actually attempted to attack them.
Both gives consent, but one requires consent while the other doesn't.
Rev. Reene
(10:43:46 PM) Xelten: YOU PLAY A TEXT BASED RPG MAN, YOU ARE NOT COOL, PUT THE HAT THE RIGHT WAY
If you stance down and attack someone, even if you totally whiff and stand absolutely no chance of ever harming them, you're still attacking them.
If you prepare an offensive spell, release it, and gesture at someone, you might be appearing to go through the motions of attacking them but you never actually attempted to attack them.
Both gives consent, but one requires consent while the other doesn't.
Rev. Reene
(10:43:46 PM) Xelten: YOU PLAY A TEXT BASED RPG MAN, YOU ARE NOT COOL, PUT THE HAT THE RIGHT WAY
PRAXIS
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 06:44 PM CDT
>Both gives consent, but one requires consent while the other doesn't.
Good point. The spell fail message is different or was, or is for some spells, bleh...
In the scope of drawing people into conflict, the gesture method hasn't failed me yet. Matter-of-fact, a while ago I just walked around Xing, gesturing at people, and got into 3 fights.
And who says 'gestures at you' isn't a iilir anyways?
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
Good point. The spell fail message is different or was, or is for some spells, bleh...
In the scope of drawing people into conflict, the gesture method hasn't failed me yet. Matter-of-fact, a while ago I just walked around Xing, gesturing at people, and got into 3 fights.
And who says 'gestures at you' isn't a iilir anyways?
-THE Noob
Holy father - holy ghost
Who's the one who hurts you most
Rock the cradle when you cry
Scream another lullaby
DIVINEWIND
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/11/2007 07:24 PM CDT
>> ALDEN >> Wouldn't attacking someone, even with zero stance points in offense, be an unconsented attack, and therefore reportable? So, in essence when you attempt to bait someone to attack you back, you are gambling that they will do so, but if they chose to report you instead, you risk warnings etc?
Yup.
Basically its a huge gamble, but thankfully I know how the human brain works. Despite what anyone says or wants to believe, secretly we all yearn to smack around someone attempting to hurt us or cause us pain.
-Galren Moonskin
!>You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde screaming in barbaric approval of your deeds.
Yup.
Basically its a huge gamble, but thankfully I know how the human brain works. Despite what anyone says or wants to believe, secretly we all yearn to smack around someone attempting to hurt us or cause us pain.
-Galren Moonskin
!>You hear the distant echo of a savage Horde screaming in barbaric approval of your deeds.
ALDEN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/12/2007 11:26 AM CDT
heh good reply Galren. Having watched you in action before, I have seen you go through the routine. What I liked was how you goaded and goaded and when my friend didn't immediately respond you then challenged him. You won the challenge but were not a jerk about it- you wanted the fight, got it and moved on.
Oddly you didn't goad me. I can only imagine Flavius appeared to be waaaaay to easy pickings.
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
Oddly you didn't goad me. I can only imagine Flavius appeared to be waaaaay to easy pickings.
"militantly enforcing the overly rigid standards of you and your small collection of friends"
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/12/2007 12:57 PM CDT
Galren is a king among men.
Rev. Reene
"If it's not a flavor of Pop-Tart I don't know about it." - Sapphyr on exotic fruits
Rev. Reene
"If it's not a flavor of Pop-Tart I don't know about it." - Sapphyr on exotic fruits
RX4PAIN
Re: Exactly when IS enough?
09/12/2007 01:54 PM CDT
<<If they fear you, they'll just run their mouth while still riding the fine line. If they think they can kill you or that you suck then they'll step up.
Unfortunately, this is gospel. Probably why alot of people go and buy their characters. And unless a person like this gives you a clear reason to kill them, they will go crying and report you every time. Even though if they won the fight, they would be talking a bunch of crap about how you suck, instead of going OOC and crying about consent.
<<It's really really hilarious to watch someone report AFTER attacking you back.
Hell, I've had people go the extra step and report me, then when that method fails, come and kill me later.
Unfortunately, this is gospel. Probably why alot of people go and buy their characters. And unless a person like this gives you a clear reason to kill them, they will go crying and report you every time. Even though if they won the fight, they would be talking a bunch of crap about how you suck, instead of going OOC and crying about consent.
<<It's really really hilarious to watch someone report AFTER attacking you back.
Hell, I've had people go the extra step and report me, then when that method fails, come and kill me later.
