>>What's wrong with having 390 ranks of evasion at 100?
I am not sure if this is a joke or not. I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up, but I'll be correcting it before I do more circling.
SORTIK
SAUVA
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 01:53 PM CST
>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up
This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Celpeze in Shard plzkthx
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"
This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Celpeze in Shard plzkthx
~Hanryu Ves'Shomis
http://drplat.com/CombatEquipmentCompendium.xls
Tolle says, "Yup yup, 'bout time. What the heck took you so long?"
JHIME
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 02:29 PM CST
Interesting info.
My boards have been boring lately I should come over here more often.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/Sirzason/wmsheet2.jpg
a black panther comes flying into view! it hits the ground, bouncing once before sliding to a stop.
A black panther is stunned!
My boards have been boring lately I should come over here more often.
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n142/Sirzason/wmsheet2.jpg
a black panther comes flying into view! it hits the ground, bouncing once before sliding to a stop.
A black panther is stunned!
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 03:02 PM CST
Only up to 19 rangers and 2 barbies. Tell your ranger friends that don't touch the boards cuz of their phobia to go ahead and respond to this. Or post for them, and just mention their name, that'd be fine too. (a lotta people don't like the boards).
SPYRAUX
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 03:38 PM CST
<<Gah, I'll have to make a barbie tab now. THANKS.>>
Tell them to go find thier own scientists and analysts.
~Van
Tell them to go find thier own scientists and analysts.
~Van
SPYRAUX
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 03:44 PM CST
<<My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad.>>
In my experiences, and personal opinion: Early on, skill-sets are heavily defining. But skill-sets mean less and less, as skills get higher and higher. It effects pool sizes to the point that they're not as differentiated as you'd expect. This is why you start having high level warmages and barbarians who have comptetively comparible skinning, perception, hiding, and evasion skills. And rangers with weapons, lore, and magic as well.
~Van
In my experiences, and personal opinion: Early on, skill-sets are heavily defining. But skill-sets mean less and less, as skills get higher and higher. It effects pool sizes to the point that they're not as differentiated as you'd expect. This is why you start having high level warmages and barbarians who have comptetively comparible skinning, perception, hiding, and evasion skills. And rangers with weapons, lore, and magic as well.
~Van
DAE83
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 04:20 PM CST
Survivals
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
scouting
climbing
foraging
swimming
skinning
firstaid
Overall
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
Scouting
Medium Edge
Climbing
Leather Armor
Foraging
swimming
"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
scouting
climbing
foraging
swimming
skinning
firstaid
Overall
Hiding
Stalking
Perception
Evasion
Scouting
Medium Edge
Climbing
Leather Armor
Foraging
swimming
"So like I said, don't take it personally. All cultures have their share of fools. It's just that we always felt yours had a lot more than ours."
~~Warrior Mage Guild Leader Senfrislor, The Prydaen in Their Own Words~~
HORNJ
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 04:29 PM CST
Here are mine for better or for worse--
Perception 1 Perception
Swimming 2 Swimming
Scouting 3 Scouting
Evasion 4 Evasion
Foraging 5 Primary Magic
Climbing 6 Harness
Skinning 7 Power Perception
Hiding 8 Leather Armor
Disarm 9 Foraging
Stalking 10 Parry
Megara
Perception 1 Perception
Swimming 2 Swimming
Scouting 3 Scouting
Evasion 4 Evasion
Foraging 5 Primary Magic
Climbing 6 Harness
Skinning 7 Power Perception
Hiding 8 Leather Armor
Disarm 9 Foraging
Stalking 10 Parry
Megara
BRIANWIECZ
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 06:42 PM CST
I thought I would see more longbow in the tops more often, unless I missed it in the other posts.
~Brian/Bahb
Survival | All | |
Comestible Consumption | 1 | Comestible Consumption |
Perception | 2 | Perception |
Scouting | 3 | Scouting |
Foraging | 4 | Foraging |
Evasion | 5 | Scholarship |
Hiding | 6 | Twohanded Edged |
First Aid | 7 | Evasion |
Skinning | 8 | Hiding |
Stalking | 9 | Leather Armor |
Climbing | 10 | First Aid |
Swimming | 11 | Skinning |
~Brian/Bahb
DELVER
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 07:19 PM CST
Survival | All | |
Swimming | 1 | Swimming |
Perception | 2 | Perception |
First Aid | 3 | First Aid |
Foraging | 4 | Foraging |
Scouting | 5 | Scouting |
Evasion | 6 | Evasion |
Skinning | 7 | Skinning |
Climbing | 8 | Heavy Edge |
Hiding | 9 | Leather Armor |
Lockpicking | 10 | Power Perception |
DW
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 08:08 PM CST
Update:
Notes:
Score is same (10 points for #1, 1 point for #10).
Count refers to how many times it shows up in top 10.
Count for All is short by 2, b/c of the silly people with tied skills. I gave half of each of the tied skills to the Score though, so it matches.
23 responses so far (RANGERS).
Things:
Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).
Still only the one person with escape as a top 10 survival.
I'm still the only one with Multi Opponent in my to 10 overall. =)
MD, AL, Vocals, Shield, LX, 2HE, SB are others that have only one representing.
Scouting is number 3. You guys/gals are insane. Or I suck.
Poor evasion is down to 5th. Ouch.
6 people with LB (I'm sure not one, it's well below my defenses).
Fun. More people please, nag your friends.
Notes:
Score is same (10 points for #1, 1 point for #10).
Count refers to how many times it shows up in top 10.
Count for All is short by 2, b/c of the silly people with tied skills. I gave half of each of the tied skills to the Score though, so it matches.
23 responses so far (RANGERS).
Survival | Score | Count | All | Score | Count |
Perception | 192 | 23 | Perception | 174.5 | 21 |
Hiding | 185 | 23 | Hiding | 170 | 21 |
Scouting | 159 | 23 | Scouting | 133 | 21 |
Stalking | 138 | 22 | Stalking | 114 | 17 |
Evasion | 128 | 23 | Evasion | 94 | 18 |
Climbing | 117 | 22 | Harness Ability | 79 | 16 |
Swimming | 90 | 22 | Climbing | 78 | 14 |
Foraging | 83 | 22 | Swimming | 55 | 10 |
Skinning | 83 | 22 | Primary Magic | 50 | 12 |
First Aid | 56 | 19 | Leather Armor | 39 | 10 |
Stealing | 26 | 3 | Skinning | 38 | 13 |
Lockpicking | 4 | 3 | Foraging | 38 | 9 |
Disarm Traps | 3 | 2 | Scholarship | 32 | 5 |
Escaping | 1 | 1 | Long Bow | 30 | 6 |
Total | 1265 | 230 | First Aid | 29 | 6 |
Stealing | 24 | 3 | |||
Medium Edged | 16 | 4 | |||
Power Perceive | 14 | 4 | |||
Appraisal | 12 | 3 | |||
Heavy Edged | 8.5 | 2 | |||
Parry Ability | 8 | 3 | |||
Short Bow | 6 | 1 | |||
Twohanded Edged | 6 | 1 | |||
Light Crossbow | 5 | 1 | |||
Mechanical Lore | 3 | 2 | |||
Shield Usage | 3 | 1 | |||
Animal Lore | 2 | 1 | |||
Magical Devices | 2 | 1 | |||
Multi Opponent | 1 | 1 | |||
Vocals | 1 | 1 | |||
Escaping | 0 | 0 | |||
Disarm Traps | 0 | 0 | |||
Lockpicking | 0 | 0 | |||
Total | 1265 | 228 |
Things:
Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).
Still only the one person with escape as a top 10 survival.
I'm still the only one with Multi Opponent in my to 10 overall. =)
MD, AL, Vocals, Shield, LX, 2HE, SB are others that have only one representing.
Scouting is number 3. You guys/gals are insane. Or I suck.
Poor evasion is down to 5th. Ouch.
6 people with LB (I'm sure not one, it's well below my defenses).
Fun. More people please, nag your friends.
SPYRAUX
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 09:26 PM CST
<<Perception is #1 so far (?!!?).>>
It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
~Van
It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
~Van
MSMUPPET710
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 09:49 PM CST
I don't even juggle really, i just learn it from trails. It's number 1 for me but i am still pretty little yet.
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 10:00 PM CST
>>It's funny that this happened. I think a long while ago, I suggested that Rangers should be a perception focused guild. I think I also made a comment about this when Z was taking suggestions on what our hard req survival should be. In fact, this chart makes me want to resuggest these ideas.....
Perceptions my 5th-6th survival (alternates with swim)! /cry
Perceptions my 5th-6th survival (alternates with swim)! /cry
SPYRAUX
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 10:31 PM CST
I was always pretty perception heavy. It was my way to counter to all the hiders. I focused mostly on evasion and perception back when I was younger. Spending much time standing around at the bank, when you could learn really well that way.
Then hiding became really useful, and sniping was released. Thus started my attempts to work more hiding.
~Van
Then hiding became really useful, and sniping was released. Thus started my attempts to work more hiding.
~Van
SORTIK
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 11:11 PM CST
Hiding, stalking, perception - this is a count of where they fall overall survival wise for the 23 we have, just showing it b/c of the discussion.
First | Second | Third | Fourth | Fifth | Sixth | Seventh | Eighth | Ninth | Tenth | Score | |
Hiding | 8 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 185 |
Stalking | 2 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 138 |
Perception | 7 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 192 |
THEODORIC
Re: Is it time
11/26/2008 11:38 PM CST
Overall:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Power Perceive
7 Medium Edged
8 Harness Ability
9 Primary Magic
10 Evasion
Survival:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Evasion
7 Hiding
8 Skinning
9 First Aid
10 Stalking
Yeah. I'm weird like that.
-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-
"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Power Perceive
7 Medium Edged
8 Harness Ability
9 Primary Magic
10 Evasion
Survival:
1 Scouting
2 Perception
3 Climbing
4 Foraging
5 Swimming
6 Evasion
7 Hiding
8 Skinning
9 First Aid
10 Stalking
Yeah. I'm weird like that.
-=Dirge. You gotta lava it.=-
"Traders do not shriek like little girls and worry about magic cooties." GM Armifer
NIKPACK
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 01:14 AM CST
>I consider 5 ranks per circle to be the bare minimum for a Ranger as far as evasion goes, and my character is notoriously bad at defense. The sudden jump of 14 circles has messed me up
>This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Oh, ok. I just looked at the ranger requirements at 100 and saw that primary survival needed to be 430 (old and new) while primary weapon needed to be 440 (old) and 370 (new). It didn't seem that far off to me.
Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.
Nikpack
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
>This. I was so focused on getting the requisite 370 primary weapon to hit 100, I wasn't training defenses at all. What's funny though, My shield it 10 ranks higher than my evasion, and given skill-sets, that's sad. Power-circling leads to poorly trained characters, but that 100th benchmark was to tempting. Back to a more balance approach.
Oh, ok. I just looked at the ranger requirements at 100 and saw that primary survival needed to be 430 (old and new) while primary weapon needed to be 440 (old) and 370 (new). It didn't seem that far off to me.
Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.
Nikpack
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 01:28 AM CST
Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.
My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle. I gotta fix that now, was doing so good at keeping ahead of that before :/
And evasions still right at 5 per. Yum.
My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle. I gotta fix that now, was doing so good at keeping ahead of that before :/
And evasions still right at 5 per. Yum.
SPYRAUX
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 04:43 AM CST
<<Also, 5 ranks of evasion per circle, minimum? Those are some high standards.>>
I always tried to keep my personal requirements up around 7-8. It's more like 6-7 now though.
It's a primary defense. Might as well work it for all it's worth.
~Van
I always tried to keep my personal requirements up around 7-8. It's more like 6-7 now though.
It's a primary defense. Might as well work it for all it's worth.
~Van
WAVE
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 09:43 AM CST
Survival:
1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. First Aid
6. Foraging
7. Hiding
8. Disarm
9. Stalking
10. Swimming
Overall:
1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. Heavy Edge
6. First Aid
7. Leather
8. Foraging
9. Hiding
10. Harness
1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. First Aid
6. Foraging
7. Hiding
8. Disarm
9. Stalking
10. Swimming
Overall:
1. Evasion
2. Climbing
3. Perception
4. Scouting
5. Heavy Edge
6. First Aid
7. Leather
8. Foraging
9. Hiding
10. Harness
CLINET
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 10:09 AM CST
Overall:
Climbing
Perception
Scouting
Foraging
Evasion
Medium Edged
Leather Armor
Skinning
Harness Ability
Parry Ability
Survival:
Climbing
Perception
Scouting
Foraging
Evasion
Skinning
Hiding
Swimming
First Aid
Disarm Traps
-Cordin
P.S Yes I was on a survival kick for a while.
SUGARSNOUT
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 01:03 PM CST
>My standard for hiding is a bare minimum of 6 per circle.
This is what I do as well for hiding and stalking.
I generally try to get 7 ranks of perception per circle. Usually I get bored and get about 6.5.
I don't really set a specific goal for defenses; I just try to keep them ahead of my weapons.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
This is what I do as well for hiding and stalking.
I generally try to get 7 ranks of perception per circle. Usually I get bored and get about 6.5.
I don't really set a specific goal for defenses; I just try to keep them ahead of my weapons.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
YUOREE
SUGARSNOUT
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 02:03 PM CST
>lol, 7 perc per circle... I'd go freakin nuts.
I know. I usually come close but don't quite make it; it's a goal, though.
I'm operating at about 6.6 per circle currently.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
I know. I usually come close but don't quite make it; it's a goal, though.
I'm operating at about 6.6 per circle currently.
____________
Satfiki wipes a bit of Rmel's spittle from her arm.
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
11/27/2008 03:36 PM CST
Yes, but you're still under 60th. As a secondary skill for you, once you're looking at needing 700 for 100th.. well, I wish you the best =)
MACGYVER92
Re: Is it time
11/28/2008 12:27 AM CST
Top 10 All:
Perception
Appraisal
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Leather Armor
Swimming
Top 10 Survival:
Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Swimming
Evasion
First Aid
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
Today my wife asked me when I was going to clean the patio. I said "Soon", to which she replied, "Who's version of soon? Yours or mine?
"Simutronics", I replied. I'll be sleeping on the couch for awhile.
Perception
Appraisal
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Leather Armor
Swimming
Top 10 Survival:
Perception
Hiding
Stalking
Skinning
Scouting
Foraging
Climbing
Swimming
Evasion
First Aid
Gahlron Dragon'Claws
Ranger
Today my wife asked me when I was going to clean the patio. I said "Soon", to which she replied, "Who's version of soon? Yours or mine?
"Simutronics", I replied. I'll be sleeping on the couch for awhile.
N8DOGG
Re: Is it time
11/28/2008 08:35 AM CST
Survival:
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
stalking
skinning
first aid
All:
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
leather armor
medium edged
parry ability
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
stalking
skinning
first aid
All:
scouting
perception
climbing
swimming
hiding
evasion
foraging
leather armor
medium edged
parry ability
BEZYAN
Re: Is it time
01/08/2009 08:39 PM CST
I'm late to the game, but was highly interested.
Survival | All |
climbing | climbing |
foraging | foraging |
scouting | scouting |
evasion | leathers |
perception | evasion |
skinning | perception |
hiding | skinning |
swimming | hiding |
stalking | heavy edged |
disarm | parry |
PBOMBARD
Re: Is it time
01/08/2009 08:53 PM CST
Just an update here, since I've had some reorgs and a new one come onto the list...
Survival | All |
Stalking | Stalking |
Climbing | Climbing |
Scouting | Scouting |
Hiding | Hiding |
Swimming | Harness |
Perception | Swimming |
Skinning | Perception |
Evasion | Skinning |
Foraging | Evasion |
First Aid | Primary Magic |
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
01/08/2009 08:59 PM CST
Hehe (yes, I still have the file with all you peoples pretty numbers):
Survival | Score | Count | All | Score | Count |
Perception | 243 | 29 | Perception | 224.5 | 27 |
Hiding | 216 | 29 | Hiding | 189 | 25 |
Scouting | 208 | 29 | Scouting | 181 | 27 |
Climbing | 166 | 28 | Climbing | 126 | 20 |
Evasion | 163 | 29 | Evasion | 122 | 23 |
Stalking | 154 | 27 | Stalking | 121 | 18 |
Foraging | 120 | 28 | Harness Ability | 85 | 19 |
Swimming | 113 | 28 | Foraging | 72 | 15 |
Skinning | 105 | 27 | Swimming | 69 | 13 |
First Aid | 68 | 24 | Leather Armor | 59 | 15 |
Stealing | 26 | 3 | Primary Magic | 52 | 13 |
Disarm Traps | 8 | 5 | Skinning | 51 | 16 |
Lockpicking | 4 | 3 | First Aid | 34 | 7 |
Escaping | 1 | 1 | Scholarship | 32 | 5 |
Long Bow | 30 | 6 | |||
Medium Edged | 27 | 7 | |||
Stealing | 24 | 3 | |||
Appraisal | 21 | 4 | |||
Power Perceive | 19 | 5 | |||
Heavy Edged | 16.5 | 4 | |||
Parry Ability | 11 | 6 | |||
Short Bow | 6 | 1 | |||
Twohanded Edged | 6 | 1 | |||
Light Crossbow | 5 | 1 | |||
Mechanical Lore | 3 | 2 | |||
Shield Usage | 3 | 1 | |||
Animal Lore | 2 | 1 | |||
Magical Devices | 2 | 1 | |||
Multi Opponent | 1 | 1 | |||
Vocals | 1 | 1 | |||
Escaping | 0 | 0 | |||
Disarm Traps | 0 | 0 | |||
Lockpicking | 0 | 0 |
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
01/08/2009 09:03 PM CST
I'm very sad. Not much longer before First Aid is long 4th :/
First Aid: 500 65% learning
Couple more weeks it will become 6th. Couple months it'll be 8th. /sad
First Aid: 500 65% learning
Couple more weeks it will become 6th. Couple months it'll be 8th. /sad
CABEYER
Re: Is it time
01/10/2009 07:41 PM CST
Guess I can throw myself into this ring, just for fun.
~Ranger M.
Survival | All |
Scouting | Scouting |
Perception | Perception |
Foraging | Foraging |
Swimming | Swimming |
First Aid | Harness |
Climbing | Scholarship |
Hiding | Primary Magic |
Evasion | First Aid |
Stalking | Medium Edged |
~Ranger M.
YUOREE
Re: Is it time
01/11/2009 02:19 AM CST
Cabeyer, that's only top nine, willing to give the top 10 by chance? =)
CABEYER
Re: Is it time
01/11/2009 09:30 PM CST
ack, counting never was my forte. Survival 10th is skinning and overall 10th is climbing.
~Ranger M.
~Ranger M.