^^agree. Being a criminal should make people dislike you and act unfavorably to you.

>>I have a civil suit pending, my moonie lawyer is hopeful!

Picking a suicidal lawyer wasn't your best decision.

>You can't digress unless you had another point to begin with. The first point can't be a digress.

Unless we're discussing Spanish literature, my first point of that post was a digression. But you probably know that, and are mis-characterizing my use of the word digress "on purpose", right?

And I notice you still didn't respond to my actual point; again, telling.

>It is inseparable from the IG environment

Precisely, working as intended.

>which is why I disagree with it.

Fair enough, but disagreement with the mechanic is not proof for changing it.

>Read the entire exchange, both here and on complaint forum, and if you still think your argument is sound, email me. I'll be happy to discuss it further.

I have, and I do, but I'll just let my previous posts speak for themselves.

/end succinct post

~ also just for you, MOOK1

Not to keep this thread going because I don't have an opinion either way, but I had a couple questions that may have already been addressed, just catching up with the times.

Does killing someone automatically set your PvP stance to open?

What happened to stealing is consent for PvP if your caught? I noticed someone made the point that you don't know if your caught or not, but that doesn't prevent the opposing player from retaliating does it?

The profile thing has been implemented in my absence so I don't get the point of being open for stealing. That is the same as giving consent to everyone as opposed to one specific player, correct?

I guess I am just confused on the rules of consent now. I was in Lang though and saw someone kill everyone in the room who was Open just for kicks. Was that abuse that should have been reported? It seemed like everyone kind of deemed it as acceptable.

>>The profile thing has been implemented in my absence so I don't get the point of being open for stealing. That is the same as giving consent to everyone as opposed to one specific player, correct?

Pretty much. But try to look at it as you're also setting yourself open which allows you to steal from anyone (even closed/guarded).

>>Like PvP 1.5 I'm open to people killing me if they actually have a reason but not because they are having a bad day.

That's what Guarded is for.

::insert 100 comment thread about how Guarded sucks::

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Kindly leave this discussion to 'as it relates to the Thieves Guild ' and not make it yet another general discussion on profiles.

Conflicts on GENERAL things belong over in Social Side where I can throw popcorn at will.

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One more time.

Committing a hostile action, in this specific case Stealing - regardless of being caught or not - shows staff you are interested in behaving like an open person. Therefore, regardless of being caught or not, you are agreeing that that's exactly what you're doing when you steal from another character.

Now, unless you have something absolutely NEW and on-topic to add to this discussion - it's time to find something else to do.




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>>Say, perhaps, deputizing mentors, or even just local officials, as conflict moderators. Put a system in place wherein people who have a conflict can get an arbiter, and regardless whether they tussle or kiss and make up, or both, both parties are rewarded for roleplaying the situation.

Sounds kinda cool IMO :)

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>>both parties are rewarded for roleplaying the situation.

Being hunted by a mob is already your reward. stop asking for more.

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>>What about instituting a method of rewarding conflict resolution, rather than just pushing everyone into some type of world-wide arena? Say, perhaps, deputizing mentors, or even just local officials, as conflict moderators. Put a system in place wherein people who have a conflict can get an arbiter, and regardless whether they tussle or kiss and make up, or both, both parties are rewarded for roleplaying the situation.

There isn't a "how" in this suggestion. Step through a possible scenario.

<<There isn't a "how" in this suggestion. Step through a possible scenario.

I don't have the logistical information, i.e. how many officials per province or how many mentors are generally available and/or willing to participate. It seems like something that would have to be volunteer driven, like deputization is now.

But say, for the sake of argument, that someone is available. Conflict between A and B engaged, over a woman, theft, action, words, whatever. It is recognized as an IG conflict by both parties, and one or both parties would request arbitration over gweth, or through an IG command.

The arbiter arrives, identifies the conflict and the participants, suggests possible methods of resolution, and then lets the two figure it out like adults. If some agreement is reached, or some contest finished, both parties are given an rp point, and the dispute is complete.

I think this will make conflicts more interesting, and encourage not just the conflicts themselves, but a resolution between the individuals. I'm certain this already occurs at the higher levels, between those who have known one another for a goodly amount of time, but this would be a way for younger players to get more interaction with their peers, or those above them.

Combat is only one method of resolution, and it must be admitted that it is less dependent on player ability, and more on how many ranks they have in the relevant skillsets. This might be a way to expand the scope of what conflict resolution consists of, so that disputes don't always turn into 'big player stomps little player'.

Some alternatives might be a trivia question, or a riddle, something along those lines. Maybe even a race around town, I don't know. I don't think combat should be ruled out, such as in cases where deliberate insult comes from a younger player, but in cases where the older player is acting snobbish or imperialistic, an alternative would provide even younger players a chance at a satisfactory conclusion.

<<Might want to suggest this in an actual suggestions folder rather than Thief Conflicts just FYI :)

Probably a good idea, I only put it here because I felt it addressed the underlying issue in my original complaint. I have no problem moving it there if that seems more appropriate.

>>Yeah, but you can't steal from players as guarded.

Fixed that for you.

In the end, it's pretty simple. DR is moving away from a player-to-player consent system to a more open ended setup. There's no "I'm going to steal from this ONE GUY and give JUST HIM consent" anymore.

If your mindset is that you wish to steal from select players, because they're smaller or you feel you can run or your hiding is good enough to just stay hidden after caught or you think you can take them down if needed or whatever, you're not going to like the new combat mindset.

When engaging in hostile actions, you're going to get less and less capable of picking and choosing when and who you want to fight. It'll become more of an everything or nothing setup.

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>>Was set to Open after stealing from a friend just playing around.

I would be highly entertained if the CONSENT verb was expanded to include stealing.

(insert argument to pass time/troll/just disagree for the hell of it)


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>>elucidating

wow, I had to dictionary.com that one....lol



Jim

<<I'm still amused that stealing from players is both a cornerstone to the guild while also being completely pointless, profit-wise.

Depends on who and when your stealing. Over the course of 3 days my thief made about 3k PK outside the bank for the fest.