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If that was the complaint, wouldn't you want to stop it from happening in the future and ask for additional options on tickets?
Like, 1500 platinum is changed to 15000000?
Shadowsilk cloaks could probably sell for 1500 plat, but that sounds like just as much of a ripoff to me.
Most trader sales, to me, just take advantage of a lack of PLAYER knowledge to gain a sale so at the very least these would be in the same category.
I am --- Navak
VROTSOSJ
LAGOM
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 04:48 PM CDT
>Most trader sales, to me, just take advantage of a lack of PLAYER knowledge to gain a sale so at the very least these would be in the same category.
I'm going to guess it was a barter and I've had it happen to me when buying something valuable that the seller has left off a zero while typing out the offer and I told them so they could fix it. They obviously agreed to 1500 plat before the barter was done (and yes they do sell for that much) so why ruin a player's day? This wasn't a lack of knowledge about pricing, this was an oops, I typo'd from what it sounds like. If they had agreed on 150 plat and then found out they undercharged, then I could see how it'd be the sellers fault and they should lose out.
I'd prefer to see the barter and tip verbs changed to work like the auction halls. Instead of counting out the right number of zeroes, be able to <barter item to XXX for 5 plat kronar>. It'd solve this type of thing without all the heartache.
Player of too many
You would argue with a wall if it had "No, You Are!" written on it. Let it go. - Quote by Carolint
I'm going to guess it was a barter and I've had it happen to me when buying something valuable that the seller has left off a zero while typing out the offer and I told them so they could fix it. They obviously agreed to 1500 plat before the barter was done (and yes they do sell for that much) so why ruin a player's day? This wasn't a lack of knowledge about pricing, this was an oops, I typo'd from what it sounds like. If they had agreed on 150 plat and then found out they undercharged, then I could see how it'd be the sellers fault and they should lose out.
I'd prefer to see the barter and tip verbs changed to work like the auction halls. Instead of counting out the right number of zeroes, be able to <barter item to XXX for 5 plat kronar>. It'd solve this type of thing without all the heartache.
Player of too many
You would argue with a wall if it had "No, You Are!" written on it. Let it go. - Quote by Carolint
ZIMPLYBEST
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 04:52 PM CDT
<<barter item to XXX for 5 plat kronar>.>>
Sounds like a good change.
I am not in favor of screwing the trader/player but it was an error on their part so threatening to walk/grave rob someone is far beyond tit for tat. IMO.
Ackfer - Halfling in a Can, No Fillers Here!
Sounds like a good change.
I am not in favor of screwing the trader/player but it was an error on their part so threatening to walk/grave rob someone is far beyond tit for tat. IMO.
Ackfer - Halfling in a Can, No Fillers Here!
VROTSOSJ
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 05:58 PM CDT
So when people mark items up 10-100 times, or more, even when they're available in a store...
That is just being a good trader, because people will pay that price.
When an item is more rare, it is worth whatever you can get for it, that is being a good trader.
When people mark an item incorrectly, that isn't a cost of doing business or a bad trader, it's a player out to screw the player of that trader.
This is a stupid, and obvious, double standard.
If people want "IC consequences" Nektie or whatever this trader is, should be banned from being a trader in Zoluren if they openly tried to hire some killers or threatened to use killers in public.
No caravans, no tables, no entry to the guild, etc...
I am --- Navak
That is just being a good trader, because people will pay that price.
When an item is more rare, it is worth whatever you can get for it, that is being a good trader.
When people mark an item incorrectly, that isn't a cost of doing business or a bad trader, it's a player out to screw the player of that trader.
This is a stupid, and obvious, double standard.
If people want "IC consequences" Nektie or whatever this trader is, should be banned from being a trader in Zoluren if they openly tried to hire some killers or threatened to use killers in public.
No caravans, no tables, no entry to the guild, etc...
I am --- Navak
AMBERRONE
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 06:15 PM CDT
> When was the last time you had a merchant sell you something less than it really was by a factor of TEN?
"It's not my fault you didn't count how many coins were in the sack I handed you."
> Do the right thing and pay what you agreed upon or let the other Player feel ripped off, since their character feels nothing.
That's not our problem. If I backed off everytime I thought someone would be upset OOC by my actions I'd be completely unable to play my character properly.
> then I could see how it'd be the sellers fault and they should lose out.
Please explain to me how this is in any way the buyers fault. And they lose out anyway because they sold to a mean person.
> I am not in favor of screwing the trader/player but it was an error on their part so threatening to walk/grave rob someone is far beyond tit for tat. IMO.
We don't mind the threats of graverobbing and walking. It's old hat. People have been threatening to walk me since I was 11th circle and Iggy's just following in my glorious footsteps.
The bottom line is the two Dane's aren't nice girls and will capitalize on any weakness or stupidity they spot in other people unless they have a compelling reason not to. There wasn't any reason for Ignifera to behave on this one.
"It's not my fault you didn't count how many coins were in the sack I handed you."
> Do the right thing and pay what you agreed upon or let the other Player feel ripped off, since their character feels nothing.
That's not our problem. If I backed off everytime I thought someone would be upset OOC by my actions I'd be completely unable to play my character properly.
> then I could see how it'd be the sellers fault and they should lose out.
Please explain to me how this is in any way the buyers fault. And they lose out anyway because they sold to a mean person.
> I am not in favor of screwing the trader/player but it was an error on their part so threatening to walk/grave rob someone is far beyond tit for tat. IMO.
We don't mind the threats of graverobbing and walking. It's old hat. People have been threatening to walk me since I was 11th circle and Iggy's just following in my glorious footsteps.
The bottom line is the two Dane's aren't nice girls and will capitalize on any weakness or stupidity they spot in other people unless they have a compelling reason not to. There wasn't any reason for Ignifera to behave on this one.
GEORGIEPOO
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 07:59 PM CDT
<<The bottom line is the two Dane's aren't nice girls and will capitalize on any weakness or stupidity they spot in other people unless they have a compelling reason not to. There wasn't any reason for Ignifera to behave on this one.
They remind me of the Klingon Duras sisters. How big of a geek does that make me?
- Player of Foresee
"You're right, we're all against you and actively work to stymie your guild's development. I'm twirling my mustache at the sheer thought." - DR-Armifer
They remind me of the Klingon Duras sisters. How big of a geek does that make me?
- Player of Foresee
"You're right, we're all against you and actively work to stymie your guild's development. I'm twirling my mustache at the sheer thought." - DR-Armifer
HULDAHS-PAL
Re: Bad Business
07/22/2008 08:56 PM CDT
>They remind me of the Klingon Duras sisters. How big of a geek does that make me?
About as big as I, for comparing them to the Tonika Sisters.
__
Huldah: So, I hear there's a gunfight going down at the Paladin's Guild. Brother against brother, Mano-a-mano. IT'S CHAOS. Soon there will be blood. And someone is going to have a horse head in their bed.
Pal: Uh. No more mob movies for you.
About as big as I, for comparing them to the Tonika Sisters.
__
Huldah: So, I hear there's a gunfight going down at the Paladin's Guild. Brother against brother, Mano-a-mano. IT'S CHAOS. Soon there will be blood. And someone is going to have a horse head in their bed.
Pal: Uh. No more mob movies for you.
IDONS-BUDDY
Re: Bad Business
07/23/2008 02:33 AM CDT
>> What seperates this from RP to abuse is the Walking/Grave robbing threats. That insinuates it's no longer CvC, but PvC. PvC, because I assume the Trader became player invested rather then Character invested.
We have no way of knowing if the Trader in question took it personally since they haven't posted here to my knowledge. Walking/graverobbing and roleplay are not mutually exclusive entities, either. There have been many a GM-run event that involved both.
>> It was a player taking advantage of a mechanics mistake, nothing more.
No, it was a player taking advantage of a player's mistake. Mechanics don't really enter into it, except that barter and tip are somewhat inadequate when moving around large sums of money.
Still... if it was my 1500 plat on the line, I would double and triple check my 0's.
>> This is a stupid, and obvious, double standard.
Navak is absolutely correct here.
1500 plat for a shadowsilk cloak in the first place is bloody ridiculous. I'm boggled at how some people (not just Traders) can justify the markup on some items, then cry foul when something like this happens.
Rev. Reene
Idon: Why are we taunting the happy fun Y'shai, again?
Me: Idon know.
Idon: You disgust me.
Me: At least I'm not trying to Phelim up.
Idon: Makes me wonder what she's doing to the World Dragon.
We have no way of knowing if the Trader in question took it personally since they haven't posted here to my knowledge. Walking/graverobbing and roleplay are not mutually exclusive entities, either. There have been many a GM-run event that involved both.
>> It was a player taking advantage of a mechanics mistake, nothing more.
No, it was a player taking advantage of a player's mistake. Mechanics don't really enter into it, except that barter and tip are somewhat inadequate when moving around large sums of money.
Still... if it was my 1500 plat on the line, I would double and triple check my 0's.
>> This is a stupid, and obvious, double standard.
Navak is absolutely correct here.
1500 plat for a shadowsilk cloak in the first place is bloody ridiculous. I'm boggled at how some people (not just Traders) can justify the markup on some items, then cry foul when something like this happens.
Rev. Reene
Idon: Why are we taunting the happy fun Y'shai, again?
Me: Idon know.
Idon: You disgust me.
Me: At least I'm not trying to Phelim up.
Idon: Makes me wonder what she's doing to the World Dragon.
GONIFTHEEF
Re: Bad Business
07/23/2008 07:27 AM CDT
<<1500 plat for a shadowsilk cloak in the first place is bloody ridiculous>>
ridiculous, yes, but that is the going price.
one thing that I do think should come from this is the possibility of doing bartering and table tags in platinum denominations. If this had been possible, the whole conflict would never have occured. Perhaps the "injured" party should put this in the suggestions folder.
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
ridiculous, yes, but that is the going price.
one thing that I do think should come from this is the possibility of doing bartering and table tags in platinum denominations. If this had been possible, the whole conflict would never have occured. Perhaps the "injured" party should put this in the suggestions folder.
<<Because it's a gigantic can of worms. Eldritch, necrotic, squamous worms, writhing in a vile stew of coagulating ichor, crushed from the living gullets of a thousand infant puppies, ululating in wordless terror. - Lorz>>
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Bad Business
07/23/2008 04:11 PM CDT
i havent been watching this folder for some reason...so much wasted conflict :(
:oP Ragran
:oP Ragran
VORTAN11
Re: Bad Business
07/23/2008 10:24 PM CDT
<<I bet you don't invest real emotions into these posts too.>>
The only real emotions I have while playing this game is when my one year old son keeps pushing the standby button on my modem. Over and over and over. There are a thousand buttons in this room, but he wants to press that one. Hard to get too angry though when he looks at you like a lost puppy when you yell at him.
Kreece
The only real emotions I have while playing this game is when my one year old son keeps pushing the standby button on my modem. Over and over and over. There are a thousand buttons in this room, but he wants to press that one. Hard to get too angry though when he looks at you like a lost puppy when you yell at him.
Kreece
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Bad Business
07/23/2008 11:15 PM CDT
first of all the original post could not be a better advertisement for the mission of the rippentropps. Real life vignette included.
They're doing you a favor. You're paying for the action that they pay to provide.
If you think the Rippentropps (whom ragran really do loathe) are disruptive? go back to role-playing 101 and google keywords like: role playing bad guys. whatever you get will have everything to do with roleplay games.
If you are intimidated by them, overcome it and test them to their last nerve next time you see one. You may be pleased to find yourself victor!
Or bemoan your lot on the boards.
:oP Ragran
They're doing you a favor. You're paying for the action that they pay to provide.
If you think the Rippentropps (whom ragran really do loathe) are disruptive? go back to role-playing 101 and google keywords like: role playing bad guys. whatever you get will have everything to do with roleplay games.
If you are intimidated by them, overcome it and test them to their last nerve next time you see one. You may be pleased to find yourself victor!
Or bemoan your lot on the boards.
:oP Ragran
VORTAN11
Re: Bad Business
07/24/2008 11:44 AM CDT
<<If you think the Rippentropps (whom ragran really do loathe) are disruptive? go back to role-playing 101 and google keywords like: role playing bad guys. whatever you get will have everything to do with roleplay games.>>
::Scratches head::
I said for what they did, at least one Rippentropp (and apparently a few Danes, dang last names) was being an arse in the Empath guild. I never once said they were disruptive to the RP environment. Not once did I say they should not RP like that. If they and the Danes (I now think at least two of them are morons as well) want to RP characters that have no sense I say go right ahead. They can roleplay bad guys all they want, but when you act badly towards people do not be totally taken back when someone says you are acting badly (gasp)!
I really do not think I need lessons on Roleplaying from someone who scripts stealing from people on ferries with the same damn hold up messages over and over. Also, misspelling words on the gweth to make it sound like you have a serious speech impediment is also not great roleplay.
For me, Roleplay is getting to really know your race and class (and after that,others as well). Know your in game holidays and the history of the world. Speak with people about current events that are taking place in the game. Too many people confuse saying Aye and Tis with roleplaying.
<<Or bemoan your lot on the boards>>
The boards are OOC. I merely acknowledged something I saw and did not like that happened in game. I have no trouble with the Rippentropps that I do know personally in game. My character has no conflict with anyone involved in that event from an IC prospective. It will, however, reflect in how I interact with those characters in the future if I do interact with them (at least with that character).
Kreece
::Scratches head::
I said for what they did, at least one Rippentropp (and apparently a few Danes, dang last names) was being an arse in the Empath guild. I never once said they were disruptive to the RP environment. Not once did I say they should not RP like that. If they and the Danes (I now think at least two of them are morons as well) want to RP characters that have no sense I say go right ahead. They can roleplay bad guys all they want, but when you act badly towards people do not be totally taken back when someone says you are acting badly (gasp)!
I really do not think I need lessons on Roleplaying from someone who scripts stealing from people on ferries with the same damn hold up messages over and over. Also, misspelling words on the gweth to make it sound like you have a serious speech impediment is also not great roleplay.
For me, Roleplay is getting to really know your race and class (and after that,others as well). Know your in game holidays and the history of the world. Speak with people about current events that are taking place in the game. Too many people confuse saying Aye and Tis with roleplaying.
<<Or bemoan your lot on the boards>>
The boards are OOC. I merely acknowledged something I saw and did not like that happened in game. I have no trouble with the Rippentropps that I do know personally in game. My character has no conflict with anyone involved in that event from an IC prospective. It will, however, reflect in how I interact with those characters in the future if I do interact with them (at least with that character).
Kreece
HEADHUNTER71
SUGARSNOUT
Re: Bad Business
07/25/2008 09:05 AM CDT
>Also, misspelling words on the gweth to make it sound like you have a serious speech impediment is also not great roleplay.
Hey now!
I mis-spell words on gweths and in person all the time purposely in order to roleplay a serious speech impediment. It's roleplay enough for me; whether you like it or not doesn't really matter much in my book. However, from now on I'll throw in a "Tis" randomly once per day. Only, because of the lisp it'll come out as "Tith". Fair compromise?
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
Hey now!
I mis-spell words on gweths and in person all the time purposely in order to roleplay a serious speech impediment. It's roleplay enough for me; whether you like it or not doesn't really matter much in my book. However, from now on I'll throw in a "Tis" randomly once per day. Only, because of the lisp it'll come out as "Tith". Fair compromise?
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
NIKPACK
Re: Bad Business
07/25/2008 11:06 AM CDT
I think you get a path on thith one, Rmel.
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
Nikpack
player of Celeiros
Climbing List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Climbing_skill
Swimming List:http://www.elanthipedia.com/wiki/Swimming_skill
And while I am evil, I try to avoid being just plain mean.
-Z
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Bad Business
07/25/2008 01:15 PM CDT
<<Also, misspelling words on the gweth to make it sound like you have a serious speech impediment is also not great roleplay.>>
shutchomouth!
:oP Ragran
p.s. to respond seriously - annoying speech patterns are an attempt at roleplay, if not great rp. all we ask for here are attempts.
shutchomouth!
:oP Ragran
p.s. to respond seriously - annoying speech patterns are an attempt at roleplay, if not great rp. all we ask for here are attempts.
SUGARSNOUT
Re: Bad Business
07/25/2008 02:35 PM CDT
<<Also, misspelling words on the gweth to make it sound like you have a serious speech impediment is also not great roleplay.>>
>shutchomouth!
Theriouthly, what Ragth thaid.
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
>shutchomouth!
Theriouthly, what Ragth thaid.
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
AMBERRONE
Re: Bad Business
07/25/2008 11:58 PM CDT
> They can roleplay bad guys all they want, but when you act badly towards people do not be totally taken back when someone says you are acting badly (gasp)!
I've spent the ENTIRE THREAD telling you that this isn't what makes us think you're a moron, and THAT is why we think you're a moron.
I really don't know what else I can say to you that might make you get it.
I've spent the ENTIRE THREAD telling you that this isn't what makes us think you're a moron, and THAT is why we think you're a moron.
I really don't know what else I can say to you that might make you get it.
VORTAN11
Re: Bad Business
07/26/2008 05:34 AM CDT
<<I've spent the ENTIRE THREAD telling you that this isn't what makes us think you're a moron, and THAT is why we think you're a moron.>>
The post is about you, of course you don't get it. Are you really that dense?
Kreece
The post is about you, of course you don't get it. Are you really that dense?
Kreece
DIANAG
Re: Bad Business
07/28/2008 12:05 AM CDT
>>Kreece
Welcome to Psycho Town.
Population: You.
~Player behind Korutu Rippentropp
(Not to be confused with the 2nd rate Dayne knockoff)
Welcome to Psycho Town.
Population: You.
~Player behind Korutu Rippentropp
(Not to be confused with the 2nd rate Dayne knockoff)
MAUFER
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 12:11 AM CDT
>> p.s. to respond seriously - annoying speech patterns are an attempt at roleplay, if not great rp. all we ask for here are attempts.
ps, to respond seriously, speech impediments are vocalized, the gweth is your thoughts translated. You'd have to have a <b>brain</b> impediment in order to come across like that
ps, to respond seriously, speech impediments are vocalized, the gweth is your thoughts translated. You'd have to have a <b>brain</b> impediment in order to come across like that
VROTSOSJ
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 02:29 AM CDT
How to Boldface One Word
To bold a word, put the * character around it. For example:
The question is not when she was tickled, but how.
I am --- Navak
To bold a word, put the * character around it. For example:
The question is not when she was tickled, but how.
I am --- Navak
SUGARSNOUT
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 03:12 PM CDT
>ps, to respond seriously, speech impediments are vocalized, the gweth is your thoughts translated. You'd have to have a <b>brain</b> impediment in order to come across like that
Ahhh yes. Rmel has addressed this many many MANY times in game.
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
Ahhh yes. Rmel has addressed this many many MANY times in game.
____________
"I for one welcome our new Lithping Overlordth."
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 04:52 PM CDT
as far as my brand of annoying, there isn't a lot of translation difference between the way ragran speaks and thinks.
he speaks and thinks that way because he has no teeth and because he's pretty smarmy by nature. smarmy folk tend to have dialect of their own. there once was this girl from brooklyn, for example... plus he's a blabbering <b>retarded</b> moron.
saying "wart" instead of "what" or "was" or "want" or "were" probably has something to do with his gums and his dimwittedness.
:oP Ragran
he speaks and thinks that way because he has no teeth and because he's pretty smarmy by nature. smarmy folk tend to have dialect of their own. there once was this girl from brooklyn, for example... plus he's a blabbering <b>retarded</b> moron.
saying "wart" instead of "what" or "was" or "want" or "were" probably has something to do with his gums and his dimwittedness.
:oP Ragran
MAUFER
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 05:23 PM CDT
Question:
Would someone who spoke cockney (lower strata British dialect) his entire life suddenly think in queen's english (the highest strata British dialect) because someone plopped a gweth on his head?
answer: no, you dont think in languages, languages are spoken and written.
as are dialects.
Would someone who spoke cockney (lower strata British dialect) his entire life suddenly think in queen's english (the highest strata British dialect) because someone plopped a gweth on his head?
answer: no, you dont think in languages, languages are spoken and written.
as are dialects.
HEADHUNTER71
Re: Bad Business
07/29/2008 05:55 PM CDT
<<answer: no, you dont think in languages, languages are spoken and written. as are dialects.>>
dont you recognize your own voice?
if i ask you to think, in a word, about a rock that i am pointing at, beyond the graphic, visual acknowledgment, the word "rock" will be the first manifestation that begins an ongoing internal conversation about that object.
we do think in language. but we dont <bald>feel</bald> in language.
if i ask you to think, in a word, about the dejection you feel everytime one of your posts fails, you would say, "...mommy?" And cry.
Therefore, dialect is an intrinsic part of one's own personal, first-person, life perspective and experience (a.k.a. part of nurture/environmental influence), as well as our organic device for response to others, language (a.k.a. nature).
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dont you recognize your own voice?
if i ask you to think, in a word, about a rock that i am pointing at, beyond the graphic, visual acknowledgment, the word "rock" will be the first manifestation that begins an ongoing internal conversation about that object.
we do think in language. but we dont <bald>feel</bald> in language.
if i ask you to think, in a word, about the dejection you feel everytime one of your posts fails, you would say, "...mommy?" And cry.
Therefore, dialect is an intrinsic part of one's own personal, first-person, life perspective and experience (a.k.a. part of nurture/environmental influence), as well as our organic device for response to others, language (a.k.a. nature).
ooohhhmmm
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MOD-ARHIA
Re: Bad Business *AHEM* ::IRK::
07/29/2008 08:33 PM CDT
Dear Posters:
This is the Traders Conflicts folder. I think you know what the purpose and intent of this folder is to be. Dialects and speech impediments have NOTHING to do with Traders, unless someone is complaining about a trader being played with this type of affectation. It's time to let that bit alone. Stick to the topic. And some posts were hidden. If you have questions or comments, please feel free to send me email at Mod-Arhia@play.net, Senior Board Monitor Annwyl (DR-Annwyl@play.net) or Board Supervisor Cecco (DR-Cecco@play.net).
Cheers. --Arhia
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." --Mark Twain
This is the Traders Conflicts folder. I think you know what the purpose and intent of this folder is to be. Dialects and speech impediments have NOTHING to do with Traders, unless someone is complaining about a trader being played with this type of affectation. It's time to let that bit alone. Stick to the topic. And some posts were hidden. If you have questions or comments, please feel free to send me email at Mod-Arhia@play.net, Senior Board Monitor Annwyl (DR-Annwyl@play.net) or Board Supervisor Cecco (DR-Cecco@play.net).
Cheers. --Arhia
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." --Mark Twain
MAUFER
Re: Bad Business topic moved to...
07/31/2008 03:25 PM CDT
reply moved to
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=43&topic=7&message=11368
The Social Side of DragonRealms -> Conflicts - Strictly Out of Character
http://www.play.net/forums/messages.asp?forum=20&category=43&topic=7&message=11368
The Social Side of DragonRealms -> Conflicts - Strictly Out of Character
MOD-ARHIA
Re: Bad Business topic moved to...
07/31/2008 08:45 PM CDT
Thank you for taking it elsewhere! Cheers! --A Happy Arhia
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." --Mark Twain
"The difference between the right word and the almost right word is the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." --Mark Twain
